There are many posts made to Internet forums with a question about what “GO 33 40 WD 45” (or some similar entry) means in field 32. BATTLES AND CAMPAIGNS of a World War II Veteran’s Honorable Discharge/Report of Separation.
For instance, my Uncle’s Honorable Discharge states in 32. BATTLES AND CAMPAIGNS “GO 33 40 WD 45 Naples-Foggia Sicily Normandy Rhineland Ardennes Central Europe”
So what does GO 33 40 WD 45 actually mean?
Let’s break it down:
GO 33 40 is General Order 33 and General Order 40
WD 45 is War Department 1945
Putting it all together so far, it says:
“General Order 33 and General Order 40 published by the War Department in 1945”.
Bronze Star Campaigns
Usually the “GO 33 40 WD 45” (or similar entry) is followed by the names of specific campaigns.
In my Uncle’s case it states:
“Naples-Foggia Sicily Normandy Rhineland Ardennes Central Europe”
These are the names of Bronze Service Star campaigns. These do not indicate that a Bronze Star for Valor was earned by the soldier. Bronze Star Medals are awarded for valor in combat. Instead they mean that the soldier was physically present in the location of combat with his unit during the Bronze Service Star campaign *. In the case of my Uncle his Honorable Discharge states that he was awarded the European African Middle Eastern (EAME) Campaign Medal with “6 bronze stars” which means he was awarded one Bronze Service Star for each campaign he was present in including: Sicily, Naples – Foggia, Normandy, Rhineland, Ardennes, and Central Europe.
* Note: The eligibility rules for award of a Bronze Service Star in WWII in relation to the EAME medal are detailed in Army Regulation 600–8–22 downloadable from http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_8_22.pdf
Online Location of the General Orders of the War Department for World War II
The General Orders of the War Department for 1945 are available online from can be downloaded from the Historical General Orders/Special Orders Collection at the Maneuver Center of Excellence Libraries which includes the Donovan Research Library, the US Armor Research Library.
http://www.benning.army.mil/library/content/Virtual/General%20Orders/
The link General Orders 1945 is not the correct link.
The correct link to these General Orders is General Orders 1945 copy 2. :
http://www.benning.army.mil/library/content/Virtual/General%20Orders/GeneralOrders/DAGO1945.pdf
Depending on your Internet connection the PDF document can take a long time to load. It’s best to right click and save it instead of clicking on the link and letting it load in your browser.
Once you have it loaded you can read virtually all of the General Orders published by the War Department in 1945.
General Order 33 WD45 for instance specifies the geographical combat zone, and time limitation for the following Bronze Service Star Campaigns related to the European African Middle Eastern Campaign (EAME) medal:
- Egypt-Libya
- Air offensive Europe
- Algeria-French Morocco
- Tunisia
- Sicily
- Naples-Foggia
- Rome-Arno
- Normandy
- Northern France
- Southern France
- Germany
- Ardennes.
General Order 40 amends GO 33, WD 1945 by updating the conditions of the Rome-Arno, and Ardennes campaigns and adds in the Rhineland campaign.
Other General Orders contain information on designated Bronze Service Star campaigns for the rest of the Theaters of Operation in WWII, including the Asiatic-Pacific Theater.
Names of WWII Soldiers Awarded the Bronze Star, Silver Star etc. are available
These General Orders of the War Department 1945 contain a lot of other useful information including citations with names of those who in 1945 earned the: Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Cross, Distinguished Flying Cross, Silver Star Medal, Bronze Star Medal, the Legion of Merit, Air Medal, Soldier's Medal, and unit awards such as the Distinguished Unit Citation (AKA Presidential Unit Citation PUC).
This information is also available for the years 1942 – 1944 in the General Orders of the War Department 1942 – 1944 available again through Maneuver Center of Excellence Libraries at:
http://www.benning.army.mil/library/content/Virtual/General%20Orders/
The direct link is General Orders 1942-1944:
Other War Department General Orders for other years can be downloaded from this site. Many of them contain individual and unit awards that were given after World War Two was over, so be sure to check them out if your interested.
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I just found a photo of my father who was at Camp Wheeler. 3rd platoon Co-A 2nd BN Camp Wheeler GA August 1942. How can I find out about this Platoon in the war?
ReplyDeleteHi Penny,
ReplyDeleteI assume your father did his basic training at Camp Wheeler and that he was in 2nd Battalion in Company A, 3rd training platoon. If so, then he was most likely assigned to an active unit once he completed his training. To track his unit assignment down further you will need to find out as much as you can about which active unit in the Army (assuming he was in Army) he served in and his serial number.
Once you have as much of this information as possible you can put in a request to the National Archives Personnel Center for a copy of his service record. To do it you need to fill out a form called SF 180 which can be downloaded at:
http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/
Be aware that the fire of 1973 destroyed most of the records, but they still might be able to provide some of the information or in the best case all of it.
If he enlisted in the Army in WWII and you don't know his serial number you can find it and his enlistment record by searching for his name, and any combination of place of enlistment, residence, year of birth etc. at:
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/series-list.jsp?cat=WR26
If you have his serial number, you can quickly find his enlistment record using this same link.
Once you have the details of his service record, it might be possible to contact the unit he served with and they might be able to help fill in more details including the platoon he served in. Many Army divisions and regiments maintain web pages dedicated to the veterans who fought in them in WWII including unit rosters, at least down to the company level. They may be able to help with information at the platoon level if contacted directly.
Hope that helps.
Jeff Clark
Hello Jeff, my great uncle is also named "William A Clark". Born in Albany, NY. His discharge papers are similar to your uncle Bill. My uncle was a heavy armillary gun crewman 845. Rifle M1 SS 184 Aug 1943 CARB MKM 159 JUN44.
DeleteBattles and Campaigns: says Central Europe, Rhineland, GO 33 WD 45 as Amended.
Thanks for your very comprehensive interpretation for directing us less knowledgible 2WW researchers for exact military service details and un-bestowed medals and awards for their service overseas until the 30th November 1945. You mentioned the Legion of Merit. Can you explain on the FRANCE ie French CROIX DE GUERE WITH PALME'S AWARD significance to my father that is identified on this HONORABLE DISCHARGE.
Deleteso how do you know how long they were overseas?
ReplyDeleteThe best way to determine how long a soldier was deployed overseas in WWII is to get a copy of his Separation Qualification Record and his Discharge papers. The Discharge papers will state under "36. Service Outside Continental U.S. and Return" with specifics for each of: Date Of Departure; Destination; Date Of Arrival. The Separation Qualification Record will state "9. Place of Separation". If you don't have a copy of this information you can contact the National Archives Personnel Center to see if they have copy of his service record.
ReplyDeletehello Jeff , I have a little site on facebook which shows old photos of Portglenone , in Northern Ireland , I was trying to find out if you or any of the members of the 82th airboure division club here would have any old photos of the time the 82th where in Northern Ireland during the war years
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enda clarke , oldportglenone@gmail.com
I recently located my Dad's "Enlisted Record and Report of Separation -- Honorable Discharge" WD AGO Form 53 - 55
ReplyDeleteIn Box 32 Battles and Campaigns, it lists RYUKUS GO 33 WD 45 AS AMENDED.
My own research indicates definitively that the Ryukus includes the Okinawa Campaign (Operation Iceberg) but I can't verify Dad's participation, other than by the dates he was in the WPTO.
He was assigned to 774th Med San Co as a Switchboard Oper(ator) 650
He departed for WPTO (Western Pacific Theatre of Operations) on 30 Mar 42, arriving on 8 Apr 42; he departed on 26 Oct 45, arriving stateside on 25 Oct 45 (clearly due to crossing the International Date Line!) which would indeed point to the Battle of Okinawa
Does anyone here have anything similar? It would be interesting to find anyone who might have a relative who served the same unit at the same time, and in the same battle(s)...
Thanks Jeff. I just found my grandfather's discharge form from the Army and it listed Rome-Arno GO 33 40 WD 45 under Campaigns. He was with the 496th Engr Co.
ReplyDeleteIt also listed three medals, but no one in my family knows what happened to them. I am trying to apply for replacements through the National Archives.
Seth,
ReplyDeleteThat's great. All the best with it. If you persevere with the Veterans Service Records Center, you should eventually be rewarded.
Jeff
Jeff: Thank you so very much for your dilligent efforts in writing about the 82nd Airborne Division in WW II. As a retired US Army Colonel I am priviledged to have met many of the true heroes you are writing about. LTG Gavin, Major Julian Cook, CPT Moffat Burris, and General Mark Clark all were very gracious in allowing me as a young officer to interview them for my Command and General Staff College paper, "504th PIR-Parachute Assault-Sicily". I had the personal priviledge and deep honor to meet MG Rueben H. Tucker in September 1967-January 1970 before he died at the early age of 58; and LTC Louis Toth, 3d/508th. I hope to continue reading more of your blogs in the future. Why hasn't someone made a movie about MG Tucker? Best Regards, Bert Fitzgerald
ReplyDeleteHi Bert,
DeleteThank you for your kind words of appreciation and encouragement. It must have been a true honor to meet and get to know these paragons. We were fortunate that they were there when our Nation and the world needed them. Indeed, Col. Tucker needs some airtime. Now that would be one titan of a movie. It would put all of our Hollywood actions figures to shame.
Thanks for reading.
Jeff
Jeff; Am reading above blogs and your helpful. responses. Hoping you can help, I have a "Certificate of Proficiency" for the "Century Division Rangers" awarded to my father, Pvt. Raymond Ramos Co C. 398 Inf of 100th Division, on September 4th, 1943. His Discharge papers show his battles/campaigns were Normandy and Northern France and" Service outside Continental US" shows a date of departure of 3/44 and arrival of 4/44. My father said he was first wave at Omaha beach , but we don't know if it was with 398 Inf Co. C. My own research shows the 100th Division 398 Inf didn't leave for Europe till 11/44, so that's puzzling. How can I find out to what unit he was attached to on D-Day. Is it possible he was pulled from 398th as a filler for overseas and would his Ranger training possibly put him with Rangers on D-Day? please help to fill in blanks. Ray
ReplyDeleteI am trying to find out exactly where my father was stationed in Europe during World War II to complete a timeline and map. His discharge papers list his battles and campaigns as Rhineland GO 4O 45 and Central Europe GO 46 45. I've found some letters but they only indicate that he was in France. Do you have any suggestions on how to locate the information?
ReplyDeleteHi Melissa,
DeleteYou have probably already tried this, but the best thing I can think of is to examine his discharge papers to see which unit he was assigned to and then trace their steps in published books and websites.
Regards,
Jeff
Hey, Jeff, Thank you for the very interesting and useful information. My father-in-law was Co. B, 19 yrs old parachuting into Nijmegen and later trucked into the Bulge, where he was wounded three times 20 December 1944 at Cheneux. We are about to place his remains at Arlington. I’ve studied WWII for a long time, but his sons and his daughter ( my wife) hadn’t known anything about his service until I came on the scene in the mid-Seventies. He was pleasantly shocked someone my age (at the time), and from California no less, knew precisely where he’d been and the battles he participated in. But I did not understand some of the terms on his discharge paperwork (which my brother-in-law finally located). You taught me a great deal, thanks again. Robert
DeleteHi Jeff- My Dad and I are trying to determine which specific unit my Grandfather served in during WWII. We have a photo of what we believe is the unit that has an inscription reading: "BTRY D 2nd BN 1st TNG REGT F.A.R.C.". Any idea what the 'F.A.R.C.' might mean? Thanks, and enjoy reading your blog!
ReplyDeleteHi Ryan,
DeleteYou contacted me some days ago asking for the meaning of F.A.R.C.
If you can give me the name of your Grandfather, I can check the 82nd rosters and see if he was assigned to the division.
FARC is probably a variation of "Field Artillery Replacement Training Center" F.A.R.T.C.and that these men trained in one such as the one at Fort Bragg as mentioned here:
http://www.mace-b.com/glen/
There are also references to the "Field Artillery Reserve Corps" (F.A.R.C.) from WWI which might be where the FARC and FARTC acronyms used in WWII had their beginnings:
http://www.usgwarchives.net/oh/military/roster/abb.htm
Indeed FARC "Field Artillery Replacement Center" was being used in WWII as evidenced by these photos of the men in BTRY. F 10th BN. 4th TNG. REGT. F. A. R. C. Fort Bragg, N C - 5/23/42 5th CYCLE training taken in 1942:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/BTRY-F-10th-BN-4th-TNG-REGT-F-A-R-C-Fort-Bragg-N-C-5-23-42-5th-CYCLE-/151209866079?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2334cf735f:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Yard-Long-Photograph-1942-Fort-Bragg-Training-Regt-2nd-Tng-/390912219598?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b042f19ce
The FARCT acronym was also extensively being used in WWII:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Postcard-Field-Artillery-Replacement-Training-Center-Fort-Bragg-N-C-e37512-/121327582968?pt=Postcards_US&hash=item1c3faffef8
http://www.warfoto.com/3rdpersonalsearch51.htm
http://www.javadc.org/java/docs/1942-12-09%20MSG%20from%20HQ%20Camp%20Crowder,%20Missouri,%20to%20The%20Adj%20Gen,%20Wash%20DC,%20re%20Info%20on%20JA%20EM_Pg20_ay.pdf
with several rare books published on the subject, for instance referencing FARC and FARTC used interchangeably (as demonstrated in the first link below):
http://books.google.com/books?id=yGf7H_XLtP8C&pg=PA373&dq=%22FARC%22+field+artillery&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zP31U77MOtjcoATewYLACA&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22FARC%22%20field%20artillery&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ClInMwEACAAJ&dq=Field+Artillery+Replacement+Training+Center,&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pvb1U56aKY-uogTA-oCwBA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA
https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Field+Artillery+Replacement+Training+Center+%28Fort+Bragg,+N.C.%29%22&source=gbs_metadata_r&cad=2&gws_rd=ssl
Some of these books indicate that there were several FARTC locations such as this one in Camp Roberts.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Bw4l_Lx2PmwC&pg=PA32&dq=Field+Artillery+Replacement+Center,&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ufb1U-q5F9C5ogTb14GgDQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Field%20Artillery%20Replacement%20Center%2C&f=false
You also may find something useful in the Field Artillery Journal archives:
https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Field+Artillery+Journal+WWII&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb
Regards,
Jeff Clark
Dear Mr. Clark,
ReplyDeleteLittle did I know when I typed "GO 33 WD 45" in a Google search, that I would such a treasure chest of valuable information, My Dad, Louis Butcher has the same numbers in his Enlisted records and separation of Honorable Discharge. He passed in 1982 and I love to find out as much as I can about him. Is there a way I can send you the document for further help?
Thanks for your great website!
Bob Butcher
Clinton, CT
Hi Bob,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your message. I'm glad that you've found the site useful. I'd be happy to take a look and see what I can find out about your Dad. Can you scan the docs in and email them to me? If your Dad was in the 82nd Airborne I'll most likely be able to provide you with some information. I still may have some leads if he was in another unit. If scanning and e-mailing the docs is infeasible, we can use snail mail. For my address send an email directly to airborne505@gmail.com
Thanks for reading.
Regards,
Jeff Clark
Hi Jeff, Thanks for the quick and polite reply. I have scanned the docs. Looking for your email.
DeleteHello Jeff,
ReplyDeleteSince you seem to be a great source of knowledge for any questions I've had so far and have found many answers in your previous comments..can you explain where ETO is? This is the info under Service outside cont US on my grandfather's HD papers.
Thanking you in advance...Cheryle
Hi Cheryle,
DeleteETO is an acronym for the European Theater of Operations.
Regards,
Jeff
THANK YOU! ;)
DeleteJeff,
ReplyDeleteI have a question regarding the space 32 of my fathers (William F. Guest) separation papers. It is stated as Northern France GO 105 WD 45, I understand the WD 45 but don't know where the 105 indicates.
Also in 55, it states; lapel button issued, ASR score (2 sep 1945)-53, 15 days lost under AW 107. Will you please explain.
Thank you,
Jerry Guest
Hi Jerry,
DeleteGO 105 is General Order 105 published by the War Department in 1945.
You can download all of the General Orders for 1945 using the links provided in my original post above.
AW 107 refers to AW 107 "SOLDIERS TO MAKE GOOD TIME LOST" which means that a soldier was charged with misconduct. He was put on trial and if convicted he then had to make up the days lost. Other types of misconduct included being absent without leave (AWOL), or being placed in hospital due to alcohol poisoning, injury...basically anything that was caused by misconduct. You can read about it here on the first couple of pages:
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/Morgan-Papers/Vol-IV-correspondence-memoranda.pdf
Perhaps your Dad was not rally at fault for the any misconduct, but was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or maybe his CO had an axe to grind. A lot GI's in WWII were enterprising liberators and often found innovative ways to make money, acquire artifacts, get rolling drunk while on duty, take a few days leave while no one was looking etc. All done outside of regulations and in many cases done with their CO's blessing, or blind eye. The reward was often worth the risk.
Regards,
Jeff
HI Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI have a couple of questions regarding my Grandfather's Discharge paperwork, (John F. Kirrer- Sgt. 82nd Airborne). in Box 31 it says Cal 30 M-1 Rifle Ex 181 Jul 44 * (then in the comment box below the * further says - Cal 30 M-1 Carbine Mx 162 Jul 43 CIB 27 Feb 43). The other question I had refers to box 34. My Grandfather received a Purple Heart and in this box it says: Purple Heart GO 13 Hq 325th Glider Inf. 14 May 45. I learned from a previous post what ASR stands for, what I am also curious is the number afterwards; in my Grandfather's case it is 111. I noticed that most are in the 70's... what does that number mean?
I really appreciate any help you can be.
Kind Regards,
Chris
Hi Cham,
DeleteThe 111 is the number of points he had accumulated at the time of his discharge.
Purple Heart GO 13 Hq 325th Glider Inf. 14 May 45 means he received the Purple Heart and it is recorded in General Orders 13 dated May 14 1945 which were issued by Headquarters of the 325th GIR. The Box 31 (which pertains to military qualifications) and associated comments probably indicate that his was an expert marksman with the M-1 Garand rifle which he attained in July of 1944. Not sure precisely what the M-1 Carbine MX 162 means, but in my best guess is he was awarded for being a marksman for proficiency in the use of that carbine in July of 1943. The CIB 27 Feb 43 indicates that he was awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge on that date. This is interesting because it probably means he was in a unit other than the 325th Glider Infantry - the 82nd Airborne Division as a whole had not seen combat until July 9, 1943 with the invasion of Sicily.
Hi Jeff
ReplyDeleteI found my granfathers Honorable Discharge paper and I have tried the sites you recomended but can not seem to find anything on him or his unit I know he was in a colored unit the 933rd AN BN and that he served in the Bismarck Archipelago by the Bismarck Archipelago GO 33 1945 on the discharge paper work i even have his service number but there is nothing else can you recommend somewhere else to look
Hi,
DeleteYou could try contacting his unit at its current location. If it was subsumed by another unit, or otherwise re-designated, or disbanded, you could contact the Army and find out where the original unit records are archived.
A USEFUL WEBSITE FOR WWII RESEARCHERS
ReplyDeletehttp://www.jenniferholik.com/world-war-ii-toolbox.html
Jennifer Holik is a WWII author and runs a website containing useful resources for anyone wanting to research into WWII on topics ranging from:
Service Information
Manuals
Libraries and Repositories
Unit Histories
as well as many other useful resources.
There is a lot on Jennifer's website to explore.
Regards,
Jeff
Hi Jeff, You are a good man for helping out so many... I have a question which web searching has not been of help... In my father's discharge papers; pertaining to his Purple Heart - it reads "Wounds Received in Action: WFTO 19 FEB 45". I assume that "WFTO" is perhaps a typo for "WPTO" refering to the Pacific Theater - but does it actually stand for somethine else?
ReplyDeleteThanks for any help,
Alan
Hi Alan,
DeleteI looked but could not find anything definitive. I assume you Dad was a marine. The fact that he was wounded on 19 Feb 1945 is a significant clue. Is it possible he was a member of the 4th Marine Division and received his wounds during the landing on Iwo Jima? That may explain the date. 19 February 45 is the date on which the invasion of Iwo Jima began.
As a wild guess, based purely on conjecture, WFTO may be an acronym for "Wounded Failed To Organize". It could make sense IF he received his wounds on a LST or on the beach before he could organize with his unit. Again, it’s just a guess as I couldn’t find anything affirming such an acronym. More information on the 4th Marine Division on Iwo Jima can be found at
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/PTO/Iwo/4thMarDivIwoJima/4thMarDivIwoJimaAAR-Annex-How.pdf
Jeff
Hey Jeff, - Alan here from that last comment. Thanks for the response; sorry I wasn't able to reply in the "Reply" section for some reason. My Dad was actually regular Army with the 403 H company and parachuted onto Corrigedor where he was wounded on that date while on the ground with his squadron. If you did not come across a common application for "WFTO" either - perhaps it is safe to say it was indeed intended as "WPTO". His (Hororable) Discharge paper is rife with old school typewriter typos including his last name (twice) and "New Huinea" - among others. I've been trying to fill in the holes I know from his time in service - your page here has been very helpful - definitely in explaining what the "104(!) days lost in Under AW 107" meant - I hope he had some rolicking times to earn that.
ReplyDeleteThanks very much for your time and help.
Alan Willaum
Thank you for the concise info.
ReplyDeleteThank you for posting this information. My father's war records were burned up in the fire. On his discharge notice I found the GO33WD45 code, searched for it, and found my way here. I downloaded the pdf file for 1945, but his name doesn't appear as a recipient of the Bronze Star for his action at the Rhine on Mar. 28, 1945. The medal was awarded in 1946. Could that be why his name isn't in this list? He was in the medical detachment, 80th Inf. Div., 317th.
ReplyDeleteProbably. I seem to remember there were documents on Bronze Star awards for 1946 and latter years. You might want to check the library's collections to rule that out.
DeleteJeff
My Dad was in WW2 I have his Discharge, but I am confused about what Unit he was in. His discharge has his Unit as 273 Inf 69th Div, that does not seem to be correct. Is there any way to find out what this is or what unit he was with?
ReplyDeleteThat's something that would require some digging... Might want to start with a NARA search using his serial number.
DeleteJeff
My father was awarded 3 Bronze Stars per WD GO 33 and 40 1945 I have all of his medals but was trying to find some documentation of his name in the General Orders and although I found what I thought was 33 and 40 for 1945 I did not see my fathers name. He was with the 103rd Evacuation Hospital Medical Aidman 657 and was in Normandy,North France, and Ardennes His serial # is 36 731 042 Gee, James L. Arm of service MD and Component AUS (which I do not know what that means) He died in 1969 and would not talk at all about the war so I feel like there are some horror stories attached to his duties. Any help would be appreciated. Wilma Gee Raynor
ReplyDeleteHi Wilma,
DeleteYou have a lot of information. Try to find out the military unit that inherited the lineage of the 103rd Evac. They may be able to help locate where more records are held.
Jeff
My grandfather was a major with the 103rd Evac Hospital. He was a doctor and treated soldiers brought in from the front. I've been going through some old letters and photos he sent home during the war. I also found a map he had that appears to have been made after the war that shows the 103rd personnel, their route through Europe, and the number of admissions they had by date and location. In the list of personnel, I see James L. Gee under "PERSONNEL LEAVING ORGANIZATION PRIOR TO 12 MAY 1945, PRIVATES FIRST CLASS.
DeleteFound a copy of the map online (James L. Gee listed lower left): https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/map-roster-103rd-evacuation-hospital-2016260421
DeleteSorry... lower RIGHT (not left).
DeleteUnder decorations and citations, it shows that my grandfather was awarded a good conduct ribbon per General Order 6 Hq Sp Trs 100th Inf Div 16 Mar 44. Can you give any insight on Hq Sp Trs? Thanks for all the help you give us researchers!
ReplyDeleteDon’t know if you can help, the following is a little long winded, and in the end, it’s really just an opinion I’m looking for…
ReplyDeleteQuestion about my father’s (Matthew J. Ott, serial# 32068976) WWII “WD AGO Form 53 – 55” discharge form (he served in the “Asiatic Pacific Theater”).
In box 34, “Wounds Received in Action”, there’s two dates 26 Oct 1944 and 21 Nov 1944. In box 33 “Decorations and Citations” the Purple Heart is listed. I have a General Orders letter dated 24 Dec 1944, stating that he was awarded the Purple Heart for the wound of 26 Oct 1944. The second wound on 21 Nov 1944 was severe enough that it sent him back to the U.S. (leaving the theater on 15 Dec 1944) for convalescing at Camp Edwards, Mass. for about six months until his discharge on 21 June 1945.
In box 33 “Decorations and Citations”, it only mentions the one Purple Heart not two or no “Purple Heart with Oak Leaf Cluster”. My question is, did he technically earn a second Purple Heart (in that there’s two dates in box 34), but something fell through the cracks and he was not formally awarded it? Maybe this was due to him leaving the Philippines and being transferred back the U.S. at about the same time the first General Order was being processed for the wound received on 26 Oct 1944. When I was growing up, I knew that he had a Purple Heart, he showed it to me a few times, and I knew about the injury to his right elbow (bullet through it and he only had about 40% movement). I didn’t know about the first wound until I came across the discharge form after he passed. I had always assumed the Purple Heart was for the elbow wound, but no, it was his first wound that he never told me about. Which led me to think about why no second Purple Heart.
The reason I’m interested to begin with is that I’m putting together a burial flag memorial display (he passed last November at age 97) and I was thinking I should include a “Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster” on the Purple Heart. On one hand, I it’s technically incorrect since there doesn’t appear to be a record of a second Purple Heart, but on the other hand, there’s two wound dates listed on the discharge form and the second one was severe enough to send him back to the U.S. but the first wound date earned him the “official” Purple Heart.
Interesting to note, “for gallantry in action” at Leyte Island, Philippines, 23 Oct 1944 he was awarded the Silver Star, that’s three days before his first wound.
Thank you,
Jonathan Ott
Hi Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI stumbled upon your site and have no idea if you can help me. My father (Ronald B. Tukey) passed away 30 years ago and we never asked enough questions about his WW II services (nor did he wish to share). However, according to the little he did tell us, he was trained as a weather observer (21st Weather Squadron; Weather Observer 784) but then just before D-Day he was given some minimal training as a paratrooper, assigned to the 82nd Airborne, and was dropped over Ste. Mere Eglise. From there, we have a few snippets of stories involving Operation Market-Garden, Battle of the Bulge, connecting with his brother (an Army officer) in Paris and marching into Germany via Cologne. Are any of these viable actions for the 82nd Airborne including whether someone in his lowly position (Cpl) would have been re-assigned to a parachute or infantry unit? Virtually all of his records were destroyed in the Archives fire. I am trying to track his movements/assignments but having little luck. Any insights would be appreciated.
Many thanks,
Margaret
I have my fathers discharge papers and was trying to plot out the path that they took. He was a gunner in the 932nd field artillery battalion battery c. It says he was in 4 battles (Naples=Foggia, Rome=Arno, Rhineland and Central Europe)He never wanted to talk about it so we don't know a whole lot. I wanted to see if you know of a way to get info on this battalion. Been searching internet but more often than not I get a different unit. Thanks
ReplyDeleteHello Jeff:
ReplyDeleteI have a Cooper Type A-2 bomber jacket similar to the one my father wore. I would like to decorate it with the patches and campaign medals from his tour of duty. He served from February 17, 1941 to
October 13, 1945. His ID number was 20 300 562 and he was a Technical Sergeant in the 32nd Depot Supply Squadron Aviation Unit. Do you know where I can locate/purchase these items?
Hello Jeff,
ReplyDeleteMy Dad was in the 501 in the 101st Airborne during WWII. On his discharge papers it say in box 6. Organization, CO K 291 Inf. We are wondering if he was still in the 101st when he was discharged. Thank you. Laura
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ReplyDeleteMy Dad was in the 703rd Tank Destroyer Battalion Company B. They were normally under the 3rd Armored Division under General Maurice Rose. They were sent to the 82nd Airborne from December 20, 1944 through January 1, 1945 when they returned back to the 3rd Armored Division. On January 9th 1945 General James M Gavin wrote a Commendation of which I have an official copy to the Commanding Officer 703rd Tank Destroyer. The Commendation states 1. Upon the relief of the 703rd Tank Destroyer Battalion from support of this Division in the initial stages of its operation on the northern flank of the German penetration, it is my pleasure to commend your organization for its splendid performance during the period 20 December 1944, through 1 January 1945. 2. The officers and men of your command showed a fine spirit of cooperation in the solution of the numerous problems developing from the tactical situations in which we were involved. The skillful and soldierly performance of the 703rd Tank Destroyer Battalion was particularly gratifying and materially helpful. I would like all of them to know of my appreciation for their contribution to the success of this Division during the period of their attachment, James M Gavin Major General, U S Army. This commendation then has added commendation from Major General M. B. Ridgway, also Major General J Lawton (can't read last name) then on the back Major General Maurice Rose and finally Lt Col Showalter 703d TD Bn Commander. My mother kept two big scrap books which I now have. One scrapbook is made up of official documents and newspaper articles. The second is about reunions and a quarterly news letter called "Road Block" where soldiers who survived the war wrote in "war stories" etc. From these stories I determined they spotted 2 German vehicles across the Salm river at 1500 and 1800 yards coming out of the woods with tanks behind them headed towards the 82nd's troops . They simultaneously destroyed them and the tanks behind them turned around and went back into the woods and retreated. I believe this is the main reason for their commendation.
The link no longer works. Do you have an updated link or a copy of GO 40 WD 45.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.benning.army.mil/Library/General%20Orders/index.html
DeleteJeff - Thanks for all your great info, but as the commenter Unknown states in his/her comment dated July 22, 2019 at 7:10 PM above, the links that you listed no longer work. Are there any updated links that you could share?
ReplyDeleteMy father was in Company L, 3rd Battalion, 30th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division in WWII. I am searching for anything that shows information for "GO 33 WD 45 as amended", which is shown on my father's WD AGO 53-55 in Block 32 alongside the following campaigns: Naples Foggia, Rome Arno (Anzio typed in below in parentheses), Sicily, Tunisia. Block 33 shows the European-African-Middle Eastern Service Medal and his uniform bears only the ribbon (no medal) with 3 campaign stars. Since there are 4 or 5 campaigns listed of which 2 (Sicily and Naples-Foggia) were amphibious landings, I wonder if "GO 33 WD 45 as amended" authorizes the 4 or 5 campaign service stars in addition to an arrowhead device for the amphibious landings. Can you provide any guidance on this question. Thanks........Joe R.
Jeff - Thank you for all of your knowledge and assistance. I have just started digging into the treasure trove of data out there, but the more I uncover, the more questions I have. My grandfather, Russel Hughes, Gilbertsville PA is listed in Lt. Col Burhan's First Special Services book as having served in 3-1 (Company 3 Regiment 1) of the First Special Service Forces. On his honorable discharge form I noted his service start date was April 28 1943, after the Helena, MT training had completed. I assume he was trained in Virginia and/or Vermont. But his discharge form also noted a Parachute Badge which means I believe he had to have done some basic in Fort Benning, Georgia. His discharge form noted GO 33 & 40 WD 45 Naples-Foggia, Rome-Arno, Northern France, Rhineland, Ardennes, and Central Europe. After the FSSF disbanded I believe he was assigned to the 463 Parachutist Field Artillery Battallion in the 101st. I'm interested in tracing his troop movements and hoping you can guide me in the right direction or possibly share some possible insights.
ReplyDeletethanks again
Many of your links no longer work.
ReplyDeleteI did find some items though, such as https://mcoepublic.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/library/GeneralOrders/GO%201942-1944.pdf.
ReplyDeletethank you for posting this link!
DeleteJeff-Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. My mom found my grandpa's Army card. I notice there is a line that says " Bronze Star Medal GO 12 HQ TAC 44". I was able to find some info on "GO 33 WD 45" but didn't find much about "GO 12 HQ TAC 44". Hope you can provide some guidance. Thank you so much.
ReplyDeleteHi. I am trying to figure out if my granddad was in actual combat . I have his DD-214
ReplyDeleteand in the battles and campaigns section it says GO33WD45:NONE What does this mean ?
With the renaming of Fort Benning to Fort Moore many of the links above are now broken - the Main link for the General Orders is now - https://www.moore.army.mil/Library/General%20Orders/index.html
ReplyDeleteThe majority of the other links can be found on that page..
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